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12 Mar 2012 22:06:13
great we've had 1 nice day of weather and they want a hosepipe ban, also something about 5% deposit to get mortgages didnt this start the credit crunch of (bad lons/debts)..redman matt

30 Dec 2011 14:47:46
changed my google news over to the US version to see what was going on over there, really wish i didn't as i saw some horrible sick news regarding a young girl who got killed and dismembered by some poor excuse of a human a day before Christmas

i don't understand how anyone could do such thing and still live with themselves, IMO there is no place for these sorts of people in this world and should be punished by being thrown into some hungry lions cage, sounds harsh but trust me it is nothing compared to what id really want to happen to them.

sorry for the rant ed.

And along those lines..look at the case which is in the news at the moment. lad comes over from Africa to live with his sister
and is then tortured for ages and ages because 'he was possessed'.. These people will just get locked away for a few years saying they are mentally ill.Then they will be out again
Puzzled

09 Dec 2011 15:21:50
what does everyone think of cameron vetoing the e.u agreement. i for one think that he did the right thing for us as it shows we as a country will not be held to ransom to the rest of europe. ok so e might not have many friends ut when did we ever need anybody else, i mean when are we ever gonna say oh we need your help france (lol!), we will show europe how its done again and yes maybe we might get a few things wrong doing it while this government is in power or evn the next but i bet we will be better before the rest of europe is.
huddz red

I think they had a cheek to tell us that they want to tell us how to spend our own money in our country. Only a fool like Milliband would have agreed to it.

Personally i'm more for a referendum than ever before.

We put enough money into europe they would soon come running if we went to pull out.

I thik its germany and france trying to pull the strings here knowing if we backed down to them they would have full control of europe and also full financial control when at the moment its at the 'city of london' and they know it would be more beneficial to them in brussels. well i say f**k them we were here before and we will still be a long time after as well. we have never needed anyone to stick up for us (except when the americans jumped in at ww2 :p) we are a proud nation and we should never let anyone else mess us about. i am a proud englishman/briton and for one (even tho i didn't vote or are interested in politics usually) am glad cameron stuck 2 fingers up to them. he should tell them "ok you do what you want and so will we, oh! by the way we want our F**KING money back." lol
huddz red

What do you eds think, it would be interesting for your opinion? you lot seem intelligent gentlemen (except ed002 she's a lady.)thanks
huddz red {Ed003's Note - I'm sort of thinking nice he stood up for what he thinks is best for us, but I cant help feel his back benchers and barmy boris have put the pressure on (not directly). I think a referendum should be had, but we should have had one before now(last government) then again is it the right time for a referendum? and would the EU accept a NO result (as in the case with the Irish) ? Crikey,I just read that back and havent given a proper opinion........I should have gone into politics }

You sound like blair, lol. so what is your proper answer ed?
hudd red

{Ed033's Note - David Cameron is a puppet and does exactly as his handlers tell him to do. There is some in fighting going on between the power groups within Europe. That is probably the proper answer.}

I agree there is infighting, but that is because there is instability, if we say no and they don't like it then tough and for all the politiciaons who are gonna try slate him in commons they shud fuk off too. we don't need alliances we need fixing and we will do that with o with out them. t**ts.
hudd red

What makes your economy so rock solid that you think your above ever needing help from europe, it wouldn't be the first time if it did happen

Cos we put in far more than we take out.

Mopney that could be far better spent on sorting this country out rather than throwing it at eastern europe or giving it to a bunch of unelected nobodies to waste.

You think the Westminster expenses scandel was bad, well Brussels is far much worse.

You may be happy to keep squandering such sums on europe each year but i like many others want a say on it.

We don't have to leave altogther we could have adeal similar to what Norway and the Swiss have.

Just ask British business owners in Spain how they feel about the EU.

BTW wear armour when you ask.

Len

To the person saying france and germany wish for control of europe. News for you, Germany has always been in control of Europe.

And as regards being left without friends..the important thing is to do what's right for YOUR country NOT to do what wins you friends

Puzzled

08 Dec 2011 16:38:54
As a student I am extremely surprised about the talk on examiners cheating by giving advice about what is likely to be on the paper. Firstly, this type of advice has been going on for years, its not a new thing, so for these "revelations" to be coming out now. Secondly, it is extremely easy to "cheat" by finding out what is likely to be on exams by going on the exam boards website, looking at past papers and seeing the pattern of what has been on the paper in the last few years, and so what is likely to be on the paper now. I think that this is just the Daily Telegraph creating a story out of nothing personally.

{Ed033's Note - it's funny because the agenda is to dumb everyone down. Mock exams can now contain the answers in the real exams and the essay writing title in exams may also be given to students before the real exam so it's pretty easy to pass nowadays.}

It is very easy to pass Ed because the grades go right down to a G before you fail. However, it is harder to get a good grade now as there are now far more people taking it. Also, I disagree that the agenda is to dumb everyone down as what would the government achieve from doing that unless you are a conspiracy theorist, which I am not. The government, whether it be labour or conservative, wants people to pass through university and to get cleverer in general as that means there are then more skilled workers in the country which will only add to the economy which can only be a good thing. {Ed001's Note - it is not a good thing if you want people do as you tell them, which is, after all, what governments want. You can train a labourer in a skill without making them intelligent, it is very easy to teach them a particular job.}

It is endemic. They are competing to have the easiest exams. There are two sides to this; the exam results figures (which the UK just loves to blow smoke up its own hole over) and the the dumbing down. I think they must have realised that a certain 70's and 80's generation had too much education and were proving a little difficult to manipulate.

Len

ps fast forward to 2011 and...I wonder how many people watched x factor last night

We (our class) were told the battle of little big horn would be in our history exam so we studied that all year only for it to NOT be in the exam... typical! {Ed001's Note - I wish that had been in my exams, my uncle is an expert on it, even wrote a book on it and takes people on battlefield tours etc.}

30 Nov 2011 19:20:36
I was expecting a few of the 'bruvvers' on here
telling us how the day of inaction had gone...
are they on strike too

Puzzled

Why? Did little lord puzzled have his day ruined by those awful lower classes?

Ah 'lower classes' a class warrior has
emerged from his/her slumbers - no name
though.
Do you think the day of inaction was a
success?

Puzzled

They were too busy Christmas shopping!

dmedly

28 Nov 2011 20:59:23
So what do people expect to happen next in the middle east?

Bit of a broad question?! are you talking about Iran's purported uranium enrichment programme and sanctions being imposed by US/UN - or their continued self-imposed isolationism from thier ME neighbours and West alike?
or are you talking about Egypt's latest uprising against the military regime?
or the ongoing palestine-isreal dispute over gaza?
or the ongoing civil "unrest" in syria?
or saudi arabia's appalling human rights record and continued practise of capital and corperal punishment to suppress and punish their people?

be more specific!

personally i think it will all end well and everyone will get along just rosey

AG

Yep all of them really.

What do we expect to happen next etc etc.. I think we will remove our embassy staff from Teheran and then tell the Iranians to get out of the UK (cheated a bit here - anybody notice?)

Puzzled

Correct me if i am wrong but is an embassy not an extension of a country's sovereignty? Basically that embassy was British territory? So in other words by gettiing rent a mob to climb the walls wasn't that technically an invasion of British territory and a declaration of war?

I can really see things kicking off with Iran in the next couple of years. Not saying i want to see it happen, just saying i can see it happening.

Yes, it could be seen as that but it is common sense to see that it is not the Iranian government who did it as that is who we would declare war on, but a mob of protesters. The Iranian embassy in London was forced to be closed and the diplomats expelled as a "punishment" for not protecting our own in Tehran. We would be able to justify it to a body such as the UN if we were to retaliate further, but there is no need as it just takes common sense to tell us that it wasn't all of Iran, but only a very small proportion who broke into it.

Welsh Dragon

True but most of that "mob" looked like soldiers dressed in civvies so i would say crtainly was the govt or at least certain elements in the army.

I think they'll all take their tops off and have a cuddle. Followed by mince and onions.

Len

25 Nov 2011 21:44:58
Just read down a little way and saw that someone said 'Bob Crowe knows more than etc etc'

all Bob Crowe knows is that he has to talk like one of
us innitt... and then keep drawing his £100,000+
salary and driving his (probably expensive)company
car and look forward to his very good pension...

That's what Bob Crowe knows - he is on a good thing.

Puzzled

Bob Crow et al are only interested in one thing...causing aggro!

dmedly

Bob Crow you my friend are a massive egotistical w****r

LFC94

Come the revolution Bob Crow
will be first against the wall

Puzzled

It isnt bob crow striking on his own -he's a union leader responsible for thousands of staff who without a union get the absolute piss taken out of them - I'm proud we live in a society where we have the right to strike, the right to fight for what is deserved. train drivers, signal operators, engineers cleaners- along with teachers, nurses, police officers and firefighters arent what caused the recession - greedy unethical and absolutely reckless bankers did by speculating on absolutely everything, yet its the people who are the backbone and the front line who are punished, whilst at the next budget the top rate of tax is going to be reduced! another break for the bankers!

stop reading the sun and actually ask, not what you are doing for your country, but what your country is doing for you

AG (socialist and proud)

As soon as I read ' whatever' and proud.. I think Hmmmm ..is he?

Punished? they are just going to have their pension pots altered slightly so they
get pensions 2 -3 times better than other people rather that 4 -5 . Some punishment !
as regards those thousands of staff - the vast majority could not be bothered to vote that is how concerned they are
about these 'punishments'

Puzzled

"could not be bothered to vote" has no baring on the matter - how many people strike is more important. and your argument is just typical nonsence spouted in all right-wing torie-led media outlets - these cuts affect all people on low-pay, those in the public and private sector; those in the public sector have the ability to voice the mood of the people in telling the government we will not be punished for the reckless speculation caused by greedy rich bankers. Support them - vilifying doesnt help your cause.
AG

'Has no bearing on the matter'? that tells
us all we need to know about 'socialists'
and democracy. Doesn't matter how many vote as long as a majority of those that do vote for a strike yippee.

As regards 'how many go on strike' it is always a moot point as to how many want to strike and how many are intimidated into striking. By the way
the unions do one good thing for the economy..They must keep many thousands of people employed in making their banners...and slightly off subject..
it will be interesting to read the teacher's banners and spot the spelling mistakes

Puzzled

You mean like you are vilifying the 'greedy rich bankers'?

Puzzled {Ed001's Note - I think they did all they need to do to deserve being vilified, their own greed has condemned them to be forever hated.}

The problem is with a high top rate of tax is that it targets the very rich, now nothing wrong with that, but these people are the one's who can aford to bog off out the country to be a tax exile in monaco. So if all the rich bog off and don't pay tax then the tax earnings drop, so then they have to increase everyone elses tax to make up the shortfall.

Socialism is a fine thing for caring about people but none of them can every make the sums add up, thats what got us in this mess.

The bankers have to take the fair share of the blame, but who removed the regulations on the bankers? who was happy to tax everything that moved and then wasted it all instead of putting some up for the inevitable day that occurs at the end of every labout govt? Because everytime they get the sums wrong.

The problem is we need cuts but no one can agree on what needs cutting. For everything you suggest you can find someone who will argue saying no we need that cut something else and so on it goes.

My own suggestions would be tax credits, why are we paying a bloody fortune to middle class families for having kids?

I do think the strike laws need altering a little, i mean only about a quarter of the membership bothered to vote yet its painted like some great victory?

25 Nov 2011 21:20:02
As a side issue to this site eds it might be an idea to have some kind of league table for MPs that posters
detest more than others. Not just 'someone from the other side'. Each party produces its share of cringeworthy members and so I am sure the league table will become a fair reflection rather than ours are better than yours

Puzzled {Ed003's Note - I'll put it to the gaffer,maybe a vote? like what I did there :-)....Nah..carp }

25 Nov 2011 11:27:49
'Don't buy the sun' is puzzled by views like mine.
He goes on to say that only labour have positive
and progressive policies and then mentions the
setting up of the NHS.
I think everyone would agree about the NHS but
it speaks volumes that the example DBTS has to
quote is 70 odd years old...
As regards global economic problems...yes indeed
but which party taxed (like there was no tomorrow
AND spent the money (on more and more public sector jobs) so that when there were problems the kitty was well and truly empty ? Also which party was it that removed from the Bank of England oversight of the other financial institutions - which
enabled a 'business' like Northern Rock to career over
the precipice and indeed was a major cause of panic
in British banking circles?

Whilst I am on this rant I might as well comment on the ridiculous statements about 'the Tories being the party of the toffs' Jesus - get back to the barricades brother whilst the rest of us move on


Puzzled

Well labour is the better party out of the others they are for the average man not the rich like conservative, People go on about how we got into debt because of labour which is not entirely true, when conservative had their long run back in the day they dragged this country into debt and labour fought long and hard to get out of the conservatives debt but because of the way life is we are now back into debt so dont right off Labour they wont stab you in the back like the CONS and as you say that the tories are for toffs is wrong well how come they are taking everything off the average man to help them live and have hardly done anything to the rich people...You need to understand how it works mate the tories try to shut everything down and pretend its for the greater good but in the long run it cripples our economy

Sorry but wasn't the labour party that scrapped the 10p tax rate? Who did that hurt because it wasn't the toffs, it was an ordinary working guy like me that it penalised. aAnd i said as much to my serving MP when he knocked on the door to ask for my vote. I asked what had the labour done for me, and he couldn't name a single thing.

I come from a family with strong links to the labour party, who were involved with it going back to Ramsey McDonald, as well as a massive union family (NUM if you care) I voted Labour in 2001 and 2005 but becuase i felt so betrayed by a party supposed to represent me i could not vote for them in 2010.

Labour under Blair spent far too much time pandering to the middle class giving them stuff like tax credits, a waste of money that could have been better spent. Blair only cared about the working classes when it was time to vote. Brown cared even less about us.

Regards stuff like the NHS, yes it was a brilliant thing to do. But the problem with the welfare state is that it was created to solve the problems resulting from the war, all those crippled men, widows and fatherless children. it worked brilliantly in the 40's and 50's but society and society's problems have changed over the last 60 years but the welfare state has not changed to reflect those problems.

Labour knew the welfare state needed reform, they had 13 years in power, and they also had to of the largest majorities ever so they could have sorted the problems out but were too scared of the unions to do anything about it.

Now the unions are getting antsy because they don't have a government in power that they can dictate to and tell what to do. Most working people in the orivate sector do not support the unions, and this strike will only cost them support. The unions don;t care that their fellow workers are going to be inconvinced on many things from travel to child care. This strike will hurt the economy at a time we cannot affird.

Actually i think you will find the 1983 recession was the impact from 1979 and the winter of discontent. it usually takes 2-3 years for any recession to hit bottom, for example the Wall Street crash of 1929, but the Great Depression only started in 1931.

Actually in 1997 the country was in very good health, Blair squanded. it. I'm only ahistory post grad and in 2004 i could see the crash coming, it happens every time their is a boo in housing, happened in the 40;s. 70's and early 90's. Its shows the fultlity of basing an economy on the hosuing market like Blair did, if i could see it was coming 4 years before it did thne didn't Brown?

It has always been the same - whenever Labour gets into power (which is always going to happen occasionally as governments have a natural cycle and people think let's give the other lot a go)
they usually inherit a (relatively) healthy situation.They then tax you through the nose - spend like a drunken sailor (to
strengthen their power base) and always ALWAYS end up in queer street. Then the
Conservatives come in and have to take measures to rectify the situation (like now) and we get people (a few of whom are posting on here) say ' I told you the Tories would make cuts'

If you keep taking a course of action (like voting labour) and it always goes pear-shaped - why would you continue with that course of action? ...discuss

Puzzled

25 Nov 2011 00:37:54
Did anyone see David Cameron on Prime Ministers question time this week,the guy is turning more and more into a gob "bully" sh*te in front of the press more and more by the week,did he get voted in ?

Unfortunately the bloke on the other side of the table is 5h1te when it comes to debating/questioning Cameron...the unions choose the wrong Miliband!

dmedly

If Labour dont move to the left the Unions should ditch them and fund a party which truely represent the working man. Parliment is full of public school boys who dont have a clue. Bob Crow understands more than Miliband or Cameron. Politics is a game to them were to the majority in this country the cuts agenda will destroy their lives.

Shame on the idiots in the south of England who voted for Cameron and Osbourne,now the whole UK will suffer as these pair are about as stupib as they come! I though Ealing Comedies were a thing of the past!

Dont Buy the Sun {Ed001's Note - to be fair, in a lot of parts of the country, you are wasting a vote if you give it to Labour. I know a lot of people round here were just voting against the Tories, so chose Lib Dem as they were the only ones who had a chance of getting in and keeping out the Cons. No one know that we would end up with Con Dems afterwards!}

I don't think it would have made much difference if they had voted tweedledum instead of tweedledee - after the latest mess labour got the country in they will have to set on the sidelines for 10 or 12 years

Puzzled

Ed001 while im not a Labour supporter(Im farther to the left than their stance) im puzzled by people like Puzzled who see Labour as having created the "latest mess".
The most positive and progressive governments have always been Labour( NHS founded etc) and this "latest mess" was infact a global economic collapse which exposes the failure of free market economics. The Tories offer nothing they only offer despair and massive unemployment. Why do people think the Tories are getting us out of "the latest mess" when in reality they are destroying the very fabric of society!

Dont Buy the Sun {Ed001's Note - because the media are constantly telling us so. Though it is true that 'New' Labour was at least partly responsible for the mess the country is in, but that is because they were following Tory policies!}

Exactly Ed! New Labour was TORY LITE! What I dont get is if people dislike Tory lite why vote for the full fat full sugar version?

The only way I would vote tory is if I wanted....

*massive unemployment
*lower wages
*full privastisation and thus higher bills
*limited access to education
*access to healthcare only for the wealthy
*selling off of all state owned resources to foreign multi nationals
*higher taxes for low earners lower tax for high earners
*higher crime rate
*pensioners dying due to fuel poverty

As I dont want any of this I will never vote Tory, so why do people in England vote for a party of Toffs? Are they servile peasants?

Cameron attacked the mindless violence of the recent riots and called for tougher sentences,what about the mindless violence and destruction of the Bullingdon Club?

Sorry for ranting, I just hate the Tories!
The ordinary man and woman in this country have struggled to get the vote,decent pay,employment rights,health care and education and every step of the way trying to stop that was the Tories and now the heirs of Thatcher are trying to complete her wretched failed agenda!

Dont Buy the Sun {Ed001's Note - it's fine by me, I am no fan of theirs. You should try moving to Spain, a little village called Marinaleda would be perfect for you.}

The best post on here yet. Puzzled you are very consistant, you somehow manage to get it wrong every time. JR

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